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LIVE FROM MARS 2001: Mars Conference

Mars Virtual Teacher Training Conference


Phil@Bates: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:15AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[23 ] Live video feed & webchat Rob, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:15AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[24 ] Mike-I don't have cuseeme open at this computer. JenniferSellers: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:16AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[25 ] Sandy, the primary server is serving 14.4. Higher speeds can still receive at 14.4 with very little degradation. [Image] Online Help: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:16AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[26 ] Whit- were you receiving it and it just stopped or what happened? JenniferSellers: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:17AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[27 ] MikeH, I think Chris Rowan is in DC, but I'm not truly sure! Whit: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:18AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[28 ] I started up the RA player about 15 minutes ago but never heard a word. Mike: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:19AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[29 ] Jennifer Sellers, where are you? Phil@Bates: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:22AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[30 ] hard to read graphic with live video here Online Help: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:22AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[31 ] Whit-try closing down realaudio and restarting it by clicking on the 14.4 link, the first one, on button MikeH: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:22AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[32 ] Jennefer, do you know if everyone can see all the messages that we send out? Rob, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:23AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[33 ] We are reading them on a large video scren here. Whit: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:24AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[34 ] trouble must be at my end, I restarted the RA player from the primary source and no luck. Mike: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:25AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[35 ] Hey D.C., The visuals, like the timeline, don't come through very well. One idea for the future is that you could load these images as GIFs on to WebChat for clearer viewing. JenniferSellers: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:25AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[36 ] wolverine Mike: I'm in Tucson, AZ. JenniferSellers: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:26AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[37 ] MikeH, there's no reason why everyone on this WebChat shouldn't see all your messages and everyone else's. Is that what you're asking? Phil@Bates: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:26AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[38 ] They are available on the pesentation pagge, are they not? Phil@Bates: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:27AM PDT (- 0700 GMT). . .

[39 ] ooops, the presentation webpage... MikeH: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:27AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[40 ] Jennifer, did you receive the last message? Our browser crashed right after I sent it. Still looking for Chris Rowan. Is anyone in Washington seeing this? JenniferSellers: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:27AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[41 ] MIkeH. Oh, I see what you mean! Thanks for answer, Rob! Online Help: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:27AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[42 ] Whit-what speed modem do you have? Rob, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:28AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[43 ] Yes-all the messages are being presented on a large video screen to all our teachers. Michael81: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:28AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[44 ] Gosh wo's here? Whit: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:30AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[45 ] OnLine help 28.8 connection, seemed irregular last nite when I was testing with RA sites. Michael81: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:30AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[46 ] that animation is teriffic Rob, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:30AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[47 ] Michael- you can click on who's here-we are in an auditorium in DC at NASA. MikeH: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:31AM PDT (- 0700 GMT). . .

[48 ] Hello, Chris Rowan in Washington. This is Mike Henry in Boulder,CO and Gabriel Rshaid from Argentina is here with me. Rob, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:32AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[49 ] There was someone from the Gulf-the other Gulf. Pretty cool animinations. Whit: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:32AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[50 ] Michael, Where are you gewtting the animation from? Online Help: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:32AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[51 ] Whit-is your sound on your computer set at an appropriate level? How about the sound level in realaudio? Rob, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:32AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[52 ] animations. Mike@Univ.of KS.: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:32AM PDT (- 0700 GMT). . .

[53 ] The audio was great when the presenters were talking, but the movie keeps fading in and out. What's going on? Also...is it possible to get this movie to show in the classroom? Rob, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:33AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[54 ] Some of it is pretty dark. Rob, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:34AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[55 ] We are checking on the movie. Mike@KU: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:34AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[56 ] The audio issue is getting worse. Rob, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:35AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[57 ] They will be speaking later about how to get the movie. Rob, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:36AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[58 ] We're checking on the audio. Whit: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:37AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[59 ] OnLine help Sorry to be such a bother. tried reconnecting but "Server is too busy". Rob, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:39AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[60 ] Mike and Gabriel-Chris is managing our e- mail station, but he sends his regards. Sandy: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:40AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[61 ] Help Desk: We cannot connect to the Real Audio server from the activity page. Instead, a download starts from the 14.400 baud link. What am I doing wrong? Sandy: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:40AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[62 ] Help Desk: We cannot connect to the Real Audio server from the activity page. Instead, a download starts from the 14.400 baud link. What am I doing wrong? Mike@KU: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:40AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[63 ] The audio is really rough...a lot of static. It might help to have the speakers try to speak into the mic, and speak clearer. Thanks! Rob, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:40AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[64 ] This is how to order the video-contact info@engmm.com or www.engmm.com or 770-8394 MikeH: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:40AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[65 ] Poor Chris, when will his chains be cut! Online Help: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:41AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[66 ] Sandy-what version of realaudio do you have? Rob, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:41AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[67 ] Let me correct that phone-770-993- 8384. JenniferSellers: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:41AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . . [68 ] Mike@KU, what reflector are you using? MikeH: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:42AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[69 ] Is anyone out there interested in talking about Mars Education? Sandy: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:42AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[70 ] Help Desk: We cannot connect to the Real Audio server from the activity page. Instead, a download starts from the 14.400 baud link. What am I doing wrong? Sandy: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:42AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[71 ] Help Desk: We cannot connect to the Real Audio server from the activity page. Instead, a download starts from the 14.400 baud link. What am I doing wrong? Mike@KU: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:43AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[72 ] the D.C. reflector. What are you on? Is it clear JenniferSellers: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:43AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[73 ] MikeH, what speed are you using? JenniferSellers: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:46AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[74 ] MIke@KU, You're on a high-speed line, aren't you? What speed is it? Mike@KU: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:46AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[75 ] Mars Education..isn't that what we're doing? Is anyone else on the D.C. reflector not having problems? This is so cool! MikeH: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:48AM PDT (- 0700 GMT). . .

[76 ] Jennifer, we have a T1 connection thru Colorado U. I don't know the exact speed. Phil@Bates: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:49AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[77 ] No problems here in Maine...live video..webchat. Graphics are hazy, and when too bright create a "buzz" in the audio. It's OK, tho. Rob, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:49AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[78 ] Mike-are you a teacher? Are you using the PTK projects? Mike@KU: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:49AM PDT (- 0700 GMT). . .

[79 ] Jennifer, we are using a T1 line, which is pretty big. JenniferSellers: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:49AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[80 ] Thanks, MikeH. I was trying to trouble-shoot Mie@KU's problem and got confused. BUt while we're talking, which CU-SeeMe reflector are you using, and are you having any trouble receiving audio. Mike@KU: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:50AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[81 ] Rob we have three teachers here, but this is the first time any of us has been involved with these projects. Rob, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:50AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[82 ] Not all the graphics are clear here either so don't worry. Whit: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:50AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[83 ] Yahoo! I am now receiving the realAudio! I went to the AudioNet site and found the conference there. Rob, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:51AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[84 ] Great-I just started this year-it's been a lot of fun learning along with our students. JenniferSellers: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:51AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[85 ] Mike@KU, are you still having trouble receiving audio on CU-SeeMe? If so, are you getting any at all and it's fuzzy or are you getting none? If fuzzy, nothing DC can do. BEtter try another reflector. Rob, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:52AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[86 ] Are you receiving cuseeme in color? How is the quality? Mike@KU: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:52AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[87 ] What exactly Passport to Knowledge? Some people here are very interested in this. Are their projects very similar to this? Phil@Bates: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:52AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[88 ] Way to go...glad you can hear it...My classes piloted the first two TERC modules...good stuff for planetary science....works well with standards Rob, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:54AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[89 ] It's a program combining video, on-line projects, hands on activities-you'll love it-it can be adapted for a large range of grades. JenniferSellers: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:54AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[90 ] For info on Passport to Knowledge, go to the Introduction pages on this Web site. MikeH: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:54AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[91 ] Jennifer, we are not doing RA or CUSEEMe, we have a NASA TV connection in the room so we can see everything perfectly. Mike@KU: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:55AM PDT (- 0700 GMT). . .

[92 ] We are going to switch reflectors...which one are you using Jennifer? JenniferSellers: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:55AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[93 ] THanks for info, MikeH! Whit: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:55AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[94 ] Is anyone using the web page graphics to see the slides ?) from the presentation. When I I access the "Graphics for Presntations" I get the "agenda". JenniferSellers: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:56AM PDT (- 0700 GMT). . .

[95 ] Mike@KU, I'm only on a 14.4 modem for the conference today! So, I'm not even using CU-SeeMe except to bring up the video at times and see that the reflectors are still running. However, try cu-ames.arc.nasa.gov Phil@Bates: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:57AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[96 ] I am not using the presentation page...will the graphics be available there after this conference? JenniferSellers: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:57AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[97 ] Whit, you only get the agenda when there are no graphics for the presentation. If you are sure there are graphics, then let me know again. Chris_Shenton@HQ: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:57AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[98 ] WHICH audio is bad and in what way? HQ is running two RealAudio servers (14.4 and 28.8) plus CU- SeeMe reflector. Local-site checks say the CU audio is fine but has some background hiss probably picked up from the microphones. Rob, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:57AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[99 ] I don't think these slides are on the web pages at this time-we'll check. Chris_Shenton@HQ: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:58AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[100 ] Our servers are: cu- reflector.LFM.hq.nasa.gov and button (automatic 14.4 and 28.8 feeds) Rob, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 6:59AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[101 ] Whit-try clicking on the time where it says agenda. KarenY: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 7:01AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[102 ] I am on the 14.4 realaudio--no problems and I am looking at the graphics. It is hard to bounce back and forth, but all is up and running. Cool! Mike@KU: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 7:01AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[103 ] We are using CuSeeMe for our audio. Things are better. Rob, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 7:01AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[104 ] What would you like to know about Mars? Please send in your questions andthey will be answered. by the NASA Mars scientists. Questions related to Mars science, teaching about Mars,in the classroom and ways to outreach are encouraged. Rob, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 7:02AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[105 ] Whit-did you get the slides? Mike@KU: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 7:02AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[106 ] Woodbridge H.S., what's going there...we are getting video of you, but it looks like no one is there. Online Help: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 7:03AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[107 ] Online Help is available by addressing your question to Online Help. I can't guarantee that I'll be able to solve your problem, but I'll give it my best shot. KarenY: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 7:03AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[108 ] I am on the 14.4 realaudio--no problems and I am looking at the graphics. It is hard to bounce back and forth, but all is up and running. Cool! Phil@Bates: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 7:03AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[109 ] Wind has picked up here...our video feed is breaking up into static. Sending someone up to the roof to reorient sat dish Rob, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 7:04AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[110 ] Pretty high tech! Mike@KU: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 7:05AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[111 ] I think that we are all so consumed by the presenters. This info is great so far, very clear. I am assuming that we will be addressing these issues of Mars Educ. later...I hope. Phil@Bates: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 7:05AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[112 ] OK now... KarenY: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 7:05AM PDT (- 0700 GMT). . .

[113 ] I am on the 14.4 realaudio--no problems and I am looking at the graphics. It is hard to bounce back and forth, but all is up and running. Cool! JenniferSellers: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 7:05AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[114 ] ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE Q & A IN WASHINGTON? NOW'S THE TIME TO ASK! Just begin with some words that alert the moderators, like QUESTION. Phil@Bates: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 7:05AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[115 ] Can we get lat and long for those images to find them on our map? JenniferSellers: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 7:06AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[116 ] MIke@KU, what CU reflector are you on now? Mike@KU: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 7:07AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . . [117 ] When will the Q&A begin? MikeH: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 7:07AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[118 ] Question: How can a teacher get a copy of the slides being shown? And where did all the water on Mars go? kathyann: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 7:07AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[119 ] hello Sandy: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 7:07AM PDT (- 0700 GMT). . .

[120 ] Help Desk: We cannot connect to the Real Audio server from the activity page. Instead, a download starts from the 14.400 baud link. What am I doing wrong? Rob, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 7:08AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[121 ] Donna Shirley said that in 1998 a probe will go to the polar cap- A- which cap? B- How deep do the scientists expect the permafrost to be? Whit: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 7:08AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[122 ] Have located "graphics", thanks. next question How do I "catch up' with the slides? I currently have a group photo on the screen.

Phil@Bates: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 7:08AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[123 ] QUESTION***will the graphics be available from Mike presentation on the website? CD=ROM? And will we be able to get the lat and long for the graphics?

KarenY: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 7:09AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[124 ] My browser is not refreshing automatically. When I hit reload I seem to be resending the previous message. Sorr. I am a High school science teacher. I am interested in using this technology in my classroom, so am open to ideas.

7:09 KarenY..... My browser is not refreshing automatically. When I hit reload I seem to be resending the previous message. Sorr. I am a High school science teacher. I am interested in using this technology in my classroom, so am open to ideas.

7:09 Rob, auditorium We are recording all questions to be answered by our scientists on air.

7:09 Mike..... We are still on the D.C. reflector...it is the only one that we could connect to. The others were down, or at least the ones we were given IPs for.

7:10 Whit..... OOps! I'm at graphic #26, does anyone know which one we're at?

7:10 MikeH Question: Do scientists know why the northern hemisphere of Mars is more active geologically.

7:10 Chris_Shenton.....SANDY: which RA server? 7:11 Rob, auditorium We are using netscape on the mac-we need to keep hitting chat to get recent messages-it is not automatic.

131 7:11 WEBMASTER NEED TO PRESS CHAT BUTTON --- NOT RELOAD!!!!!!!!!!!

7:12 KarenY..... My browser is not refreshing automatically. When I hit reload I seem to be resending the previous message. Sorr. I am a High school science teacher. I am interested in using this technology in my classroom, so am open to ideas 7:12 JenniferSellers..... Hi kathyann, we read you!

7:13 JenniferSellers..... Mike@KU, but now you are getting audio OK with CU-SeeMe?

7:13 Karen Y. there is a small box above the Chat box. Enter the number of seconds you want to refresh after. 40 works pretty well. when creating a message...hit pause..it will keep your screen from changing while you type in your message.

7:14 KarenY, you might be able to set a refresh rate. What browser are you using?

7:15 KarenY..... Thanks. It worked fine when I tried it yesterday (the refresh rate), but, of course, not today!

7:15 Mike@KU..... We need the speakers to speak more clearly...the audio is probably as good as it's going to get.

7:15 JenniferSellers..... Q & A IS BEGINNING NOW!!

7:16 Mike@KU..... The panel needs to speak up, or speak more directly into the mic.

7:17 Online Help..... Jennifer-so far, I've only lost my connection once, so I think I'm good right up until 11. Sorry I can't stay later-Chris

7:17 Phil@Bates..... QU ESTION***What do you think might have caused the distinctly different AGE related surface features?

7:17 kathyann..... Help- I can get audio on RA but not graphics. Where do I go for them?

7:18 JenniferSellers..... Thanks, Chris! What a relief!

7:19 Mike@KU..... Are there plans to date the material we analyze..I'm interested in seeing if Mars gives us the same date of the Earth.

7:20 JenniferSellers..... kathyann, you can go to the agenda and click on the time for the presentation and get the graphics for that presentation.

7:21 Mike@KU..... I was referring to the age of the Earth and the solar system. Sorry, I wasn't clear about that before.

7:25 WEBMASTER Status 3 people in Mars_Transcript 16 people in Mars_Discussion 16 RealAudio players on k12-dev server cpu on quest 50% - load 50% 149

7:25 bhob@genie.com

7:27 MikeH Question***From a teacher in our audience here. Early planetologists suspected lichens were growing in Syrtis Major area. Are we sending a mission to this area?

7:29 Mike@KU..... What substance are you using the fill the "airbags", and are there any issues with changing pressures as it approaches Mars?

7:31 jse..... Hello from Lakeland Community College, east of Cleveland.

7:31 Rob, auditorium Hello jse from NASA auditorium in DC.

7:32 jse..... How many sites are doing this?

7:33 BillBourn..... Is there an operating model of the Sojourner rover available to purchase?

7:33 kati hello

7:33 Jim, auditorium Hi, Rob has taken a break and I'll be on line for awhile.

7:34 BillBourn..... Is there an operating model of the Sojourner rover available to purchase?

7:35 Jim, auditorium Hi, Kati welcome to NASA web chat.

7:36 BillBourn..... Is there an operating model of the Sojourner rover available to purchase?

7:36 ENC Trainers Hi from the Division of Educational Programs at Argonne National Laboratory in the Chicago area.

7:37 justdane hello

7:37 ENC Trainers Hi from the Division of Educational Programs at Argonne National Laboratory in the Chicago area.

7:37 kati Hi. I interested in the Mars project. Just thought I'd see what's going on here.

7:37 ENC Trainers Hi from the Division of Educational Programs at Argonne National Laboratory in the Chicago area.

7:38 Jim, auditorium Bill, an operating model is available on the web. You will be able to play with the model.

7:38 ENC Trainers Hi from the Division of Educational Programs at Argonne National Laboratory in the Chicago area.

7:39 Jim, auditorium Bob, The lander will land on the Southern cap.

7:39 Jim, auditorium Bob they are estimating that the ice cap may be from 1 kilometer ot 3 K deep.

7:40 justdane can you explain the pathfinder

7:40 JenniferSellers..... ENC TRAINERS: Hit [chat] button rather than [reload].

7:42 Jim, auditorium We are ending the live panel questions for now, but write down your questions for this afternoon.

7:42 kati why the south pole?

7:42 BillBourn..... I was hoping for a physical model that could be driven over obstacles in the parking lot.

7:43 Jim, auditorium If I remember correctly the South Pole was choosen because it is colder. So the lander won't melt the ice when it lands.

7:44 Mike@KU..... Where is the location of the model on the site?

7:45 Phil@Bates..... BT W, the sat dish was adjusted well, with no accidents! Thanks for your concern!!! :])

7:46 kati..... When is the expected date of first unmanned landing?

7:46 Mike@KU..... What was the email address for classroom of the future?

7:47 MikeH CJ Rodkey: You have just made all of the Exploring the Environment Project members proud of what you are doing in the classroom. Thanks, Bob Myers NASA Classroom of the Future

7:48 BillBourn..... email uncertain. I copied button as the URL

7:50 BillBourn..... I forgot that webchat turned my message into an actual link. It's cotf.edu with the usual http prefix.

7:52 Online Help..... Unless anyone has any pressing technical questions, I'll be signing off now. Online help will be available throughout the day. Different people will be available at different times.

7:54 JenniferSellers..... Thanks again, Online Helper Chris! 7:55 Grand Jct, CO..... It is interesting that Olympus Mons is not covered by glaciers

7:57 MikeH Bonnie, how exciting it is to hear all the things you are saying ! You one of the Challenger Seven Fellows extending so much to the others to the classrooms. Hazel Hsieh, another Challenger Seven Fellow!

7:57 The web site for Red Rover is button 8:01 BillBourn.....> I tried to raise cotf.edu without success. I'll try red rover now.

8:01 Phil, whew! glad to see you have fixed your problem and everyone is well.

8:03 We are going to try to find out how you can get a copy of the CD ROM that is being talked about right now.

8:03 BillBourn..... Red rover is responding fine. the button again is button

8:05 Nick..... As a second grade teacher, I like the long-range view needed here. It gives my students a sense of the future.

8:05 Nick..... As a second grade teacher, I like the long-range view needed here. It gives my students a sense of the future.

8:05 The CD-ROM is available through the same source as the video. info@engmm.com www.engmm.com 770-993-8384

8:0 BillBourn..... That address is for the planetary society home page. red rover is at the complete URL of button

8:08 What would you like to know about Mars? Please send in your questions and they well be answered by the NASA Mars scientists that are here today. Questions related to Mars science, teaching about Mars in the classroom or the ways to encourage our outreach efforts.

8:08 Michelle..... Hello from Cleveland. This is really neat!

8:08 Keep those cards and letters rolling in.....

8:08 Michelle..... Hello from Cleveland. This is really neat!

8:08 Nick..... As a second grade teacher, I like the long-range view needed here. It gives my students a sense of the future.

8:08 NASA/GSFC/TRL/2..... Hi This is Kay at Goddard TRL with some teacher friends. We have a question about the iron content of the Martian soil. Is the iron in the soil in high enough concentrations to extract and use as a building material? And, question #2: Are the silicate concentrations pure enough to use in the construction of O'Neill Spheres?

8:09 Nick..... As a second grade teacher, I like the long-range view needed here. It gives my students a sense of the future.

8:09 Phil@Bates..... QUESTION***Are there any plans to "bring back" any samples from Mars?

8:09 Nick..... As a second grade teacher, I like the long-range view needed here. It gives my students a sense of the future.

8:11 Kay, we are recording your question and will try to get you an answer ASAP. 8:12 Pauline..... Hi Hope online help is still available. I'll expalin details after I'm sure I'm getting thru

8:13 Tom..... Cris: Live From Mars realaudio stream is quite clear here in the WOC

8:14 Tom..... (at 28.8)

8:15 Please do not post your picture. I appears on a large screen behind the speaker and is a distraction to people here. 8:16 Phil.... The plan to bring back samples is.. Launch 2005 Return sample to Earth 2008

8:16 Pauline..... My real Audio is not working - it just reloads and quits the system every time I have 2 windows open. The transcripts seem interesting but a bit garbled It it possible to see graphics presented earlier - or only when being shown live So far it's just been people and a podium When will the email transcipts be sent ?

8:17 There will be a chance to ask questions about the CD very soon. So send in CD ROM questions now.

8:18 BillBourn..... What are the hardware requirements for the use of the CD ROM?

8:19 JenniferSellers..... Michele and Nick, please hit CHAT rather than RELOAD to refresh.

8:19 The CD will be available in one month and cost $10.00. The address and phone number was given earlier.

8:19 JenniferSellers..... Pauline, I will mail you directly.

8:21 Pauline..... I'll try again with more punctuation. RealAudio reloads every time I try to connect it ?? I tried it last week and contacted their help desk. The only advice was to rebuild desktop which I did but didn't help. 8:21 NASA/GSFC/TRL/2..... This is Kay again at Goddard. Are participants going to receive a copy of the Mars Navigator CD-ROM?

8:22 Whit..... Hi, back again. What screen is speaket at?

8:23 Jim, Auditorium Whit, I'm not sure what your question is? The speaker is on NASA TV and on CuSee Me.

8:24 Whit..... re realAudio, one of their suggestions is to "clear" your disk cache and restart RA]

8:25 Laura(MontroseCO) Kathy are you there?

8:25 Whit..... I'm listening on RA and watching slides, but I've messed up . I was wondering what slide he was on. The slides are numbered like c5.gif etc

8:25 Tanya-ku..... How can we find out who our state representative is?

8:26 Tanya-ku..... For the conference (just wanted to clarify!).

8:26 Jim, Auditorium Last chance for CD ROM questions

8:26 Mike@KU..... Did I see that the CD contains the Pathfinder movie? Does it contain the whole movie or do I need to order tha movie separately?

8:27 Phil@Bates..... QU ESTION***How can we (teachers) keep the Eisenhower funds from being pooled in with State block grants? 229

8:27 Laura(montrose,co) Kathy (GJ) are you there?

8:28 Grand Jct, CO..... How can virtual participants obtain copies of the CD rom that was just demonstrated????!!!

8:30 HIROSHI..... I am watching RealAudio program in japan. Sound is "clear". Last time we in Japan participate in LHST, sound was not cLear.

8:31 Jim, Auditorium Bill, the requirements for the CD are a 486 or up with Windows or a Macintosh both will need Quicktime and 8 mgs of RAM

8:31 Rob H..... Wow!! Where can we find FAQ's on WebChat and CuCme and Quicktime?

8:31 Grand Jct, CO..... Laura, Kathy is here at the GJ site, our computer is in another room from the TV....I'll go tell her to come chat.

8:32 Mano..... How does one go about getting a copy of this CD

8:33 Jim, Auditorium Mike, Part of the movie is on the CD you will need to evaluate your needs. Again the CD ROM is available at 770-993-8384 more inforamtion via info@engmm.com or www.engmm.com

8:34 JenniferSellers..... ALL WebChat PARTICIPANTS: Please be aware that this WebChat is being projected onto a screen in the front of the NASA HQ auditorium where the physical conference is taking place. :-)

8:34 Mike@KU..... What did he just say about Carl Sagan?

8:34 Pierre I am new to this technology. Try to find my way...

8:34 Jim, Auditorium Is there anyone on Web Chat from outside of the U.S.?

8:34 Grand Jct, CO..... Laura, Iam with a group of 4 teachers at the Grand Junction instructional building. We couldn't getthe tv and the computers in the same room so we are busy running back and forth between the two. At lunch break I willgo home and bring in my own computer so we can hook to a regular phone line. How are things going for you? Kathy

8:35 HIROSHI..... I think snapshots and RealAudio is better than cu-seeme.

8:35 Charlie, Auditorium Hi folks, I'm releaving Jim.

8:36 Charlie, Auditorium There is someone from Japan on the Chat.

8:36 Mano..... Hi Jim, This is Mano from South Africa

8:36 Charlie, Auditorium Any Red Rover questions?

8:37 Mano..... Hi Jim, This is Mano from South Africa

8:38 JenniferSellers.....

8:38 Whit..... Outside US? Whit Prophet in Brockville, Ontario, Canda Using WebChat, realAudio and graphics, very neat!

8:38 Charlie, Auditorium Hi Mano, from Washington, D.C.

8:38 HIROSHI..... I am a elementary school teacher. We took part in the LHST last April. Students were very exciting.

8:38 Mano..... Hi Jim, This is Mano from South Africa

8:39 Charlie, Auditorium Glad you're with us!

8:39 Tanya-ku..... Mano Where in South Africa are you located? What is the availability of technology in your school system?

8:40 Mano..... Charlie, It's incredible the quality of sound coming thru RealAudio

8:40 Whit..... RedRover... Are technical specs available? Lego dacta? Camera?

8:40 JenniferSellers..... Mano, please use chat button rather than reload, to refresh.

8:40 Pierre Yes, there is a participant from Canada. My name is Pierre. I am try to get familiar with this new technology. I am an amateur astronomer.

8:41 Tanya-ku..... Hiroshi - What is LHST?

8:42 BillBourn..... I'll stick with the hardware requirements to participate in the project? 8:42 Charlie, Auditorium How about that for answering your question!

8:42 Mano..... Hi Tanya-ku: , I'm about 150kms east of Johannesburg. The towns name is Secunda.

8:43 LauraCO..... Where can I get the slides used by speakers at the workshop?

8:43 Mano..... Thanks Jennifer I was getting worried about this repeating procedure... :-) 8:44 Charlie, Auditorium The slides are available on the website.

8:44 DianeS-Maywood..... Hii, Maywood Center in SeaTAc, WA is on.

8:45 Tanya-ku..... LauraCO - The slides are all displayed under the AGENDGA section of the first web page. Click on time of session to get pictures!

8:45 HIROSHI..... Hi! Tanya-ku. LHST is Live from Habble Space Telescope project.

8:46 Charlie, Auditorium Hi Diane we have one person from Seattle here!

8:47 LauraCO..... question about the rover going to Mars. Will it be able to core down into the surface to get samples to compare to the composition of the earth?

8:47 HIROSHI..... Hi! Tanya-ku. LHST is Live from Habble Space Telescope project. 8:47 Charlie, Auditorium Any Rover questions?

8:48 JenniferSellers..... Welcome, Maywood Center.

8:49 DianeS-Maywood..... Hi, Jennifer It is cloudy and cool here today. A good day to be inside.

8:50 Phil@Bates..... QU ESTION***Is there any hard copy info that we could get on RR,RR? You know, the glossy stuff that school committees would actually read...

8:51 Charlie, Auditorium Answer for LauraCO - No, but it can look at surface soil and rocks VERY closely.

8:51 LauraCO..... How can I get the CuCeMe piece. I am having trouble accessing it,

8:52 Tanya-ku..... Hiroshi - Sorry, what did they "do"?

8:52 Tanya-ku..... Hiroshi - Oops! Let me try the whole message again. What did you students do as part of the project? What grade do you teach?

8:55 BillBourn..... 8:56 Phil@Bates..... QUESTION***what are the problems with wireless control?

8:57 Charlie, Auditorium Planetary 1-800-969-mars Cindy Helife or planetary.org/tps (site is under construction)

8:57 HIROSHI..... Tanya-ku! They watched the NASA TV via cu-seeMe and they questioned. They participate in the program.

8:58 jse..... Thanks for reading the URL's.

8:58 JenniferSellers..... LauraCO, do you have CU-SeeMe software (client) installed on your computer?

8:59 Charlie, Auditorium Your welcome.

8:59 HIROSHI..... I teach 5 grade pupil. 10 to 11 years old.

8:59 LauraCO..... Jennifer, Thanks I got it..

8:59 jse..... Can someone Email that list of connected sites into the listserv?

9:00 Tanya-ku..... Hiroshi - Do you have computers for each student or just one in the class? We don't have computers in the classroom in the school where I teach.

9:02 Scoti..... Hi! This conference is great. Real Audio is working great. My school is dedicated to teaching as much curriculum as possible using aero-space materials. I teach fifth grade and am very excited about this progrm for the students. I take (with lots of help) 150 students to Space Camp in Huntsville, Ala. each year. Is there one location where I can get all related materials?

9:03 Charlie, Auditorium For the next hour we'll be at lunch, but feel free to send in your questions, and or/ comments. Recorders will write them down between bites or bytes! Enjoy!

9:04 HIROSHI..... We have 21 computers in our school. But cpu is 386 and not conected any net.

9:04 rebecca-ku..... We here at KU are signing off now to eat lunch. we'll connect with you later and scroll back and read everything. What time is it where everyone is?

9:05 Phil@Bates..... QUESTION***what is the hierarchy of costs for the diff levels of RR, RR?

9:06 Tanya-ku..... Hiroshi - It has been nice chatting with you. I will be back on later. We in Kansas are going to eat lunch!

9:0 LauraCO..... It's 10:00 am here in Montrose CO.

9:08 HIROSHI..... I am working in Suginami-ku Tokyo. Now Bill Gutch is in Japan. Is there anyone who kows IPS and Sho Itoh.

9:09 Whit..... I add my congratulations and thanks to all those people just mentioned who have made this possible!

9:09 Grand Jct, CO..... We would love to see a list of the participating on- line sites- any chance of posting that somewhere?

9:10 Grand Jct, CO..... Question: How will the Red Rovers work. Will they use LOGO? 9:11 Mary D. Mike D. Go to Hallway. Need HELP! Mary

9:18 HIROSHI..... Thank you very much all. I wish I would meet you again next time with my students.

9:19 JenniferSellers..... Pauline Seales, Did those suggestions for RealAudio work for you?

9:27 Charlie, Auditorium For the next hour we'll be at lunch, but feel free to send in your questions, and or/ comments. Recorders will write them down between bites or bytes! Enjoy!

9:33 Grand Jct, CO Jennifer, I just downloaded RA and am having the same problems as I was at home on another computer. I'm not sure how to clear the cache area. I'm getting an error message about connecting to the server

9:33 MikeH This is the Case for Mars Conference and Challenger Center for Space Science Education conference here in Boulder, Colorado. We only had the NASA-TV link thru 10:15 our time, but we may have teachers and conference participants sending messages again later. Thank you for the great presentations. Our Case for Mars Education Working Group will be setting up a web site for communicating about Mars education and sharing resources and ideas. If interest in our web site, e-mail your e-mail address to Richard Wagner at campr2@javanet.com. Just say you want to be put on a list to get the Case for Mars Education Working Group web site address.

9:42 JenniferSellers..... Grand Jct, which RA server are you choosing on the activity.html page? Also, what speed are you receiving at?

9:46 We will be back from lunch at 1 p.m. EST

9:48 JenniferSellers..... Right, please ask Andrea to call Jennifer. Not urgent, but important. 9:52 Grand Jct, CO Jennifer, I have tried both RA server links. We are connected here with a T1 line

9:52 PathFinder..... I keep Getting an Invalid Server Error on my Real Audio. I need Help!! 9:53 Grand Jct, CO PathFinder- same problem here, we can troubleshoot together

9:55 Scoti..... Scoti here. Are the jpeg images going to remain on the menu so that we can save them later? 9:56 PathFinder..... I think it has something to do with the win3.1 and 95 winsocks

9:57 Robbie, auditorium HellO everyone, We will be starting in the 5 min.

10:00 PathFinder..... Is there a Live From Mars Homepage posted yet??

10:01 Caruso Chiming in: RealAudio is very good most of the time. I can also get simultaneously CuSeeMe. CuSeeMe is o.k.-9kbps. a little like a jigsaw puzzle evolving into stills., but not bad. I cannot simultaneously get Netscape up with these two. So I scap CuSeeMe to Webchat. Maybe I missed this. But what is the email address for questions for the experts? Are there different addresses for different types of questions (tech. astronomical, etc.)

10:02 Tim Greetings from Ireland, Tim Lavery here, just joining the conference

10:03 Mano...... What's the address for Cu-SeeMe? Help?

10:04 JenniferSellers..... For those of you having problems with RealAudio (which IS working without problems at this time) try loading the site directly, rather than from your Web Browser.

10:05 JenniferSellers..... Mano (and others) the two CU-SeeMe reflectors that I am confident of at this time are: cu-ames.arc.nasa.gov and reflector.lfm.hq.nasa.gov

10:05 LauraCO..... How will the rover on Mars be guided. i.e. deployment of weather station and experiments.

10:06 Greetings from NC

10:06 rebecca-ku..... weeeee're baaack! KU is on line again! Whar's new? 10:0 is anyone presently watching the Mars Interactive program?

10:08 Robbie, auditorium Pathfinder, 10:08

JC Craig Good morning, Jennifer et al. Looks like I got started here just in time. 10:08

Whit..... Whit Prophet , back from lunch. Actually mowed the lawn. Is RA up and running again?

10:09 Robbie, auditorium Caruso, send e mail questions. 10:10

LauraCO..... When will the Pathfinder stop collecting data? 10:10

steve..... Hello from NC!

10:10 PathFinder..... Jennifer I tried typing the location but i stiil get the same error; "Requested Server Is Not Valid", any other solutions you might have would be greatly appreciated.

10:11 JC Craig Laura: Did you ever get CUSeeMe working? Or was that someone else?

10:12 JenniferSellers..... Whit, RA has been running all along. There was a pause while NASA TV switched from live to tape and from tape to live, but you should not have experienced any other drops in service. If you are having trouble, please try connecting directly to the server per my instrux above. 336 10:12 Phil@Bates..... 8 teachers @ Bates College site present and well fed...hello again!

10:13 >PathFinder..... WHIT the mail address is Mars- question@mail.arc.nasa.gov

10:13 LauraCO..... JC Craig, I did. I'm not using it because I am watching satillite today

10:14 JenniferSellers..... PathFinder, try connecting to the RealAudio site to see that you can connect to SOMEwhere.

10:16 Roger Stryker..... Hello from across the auditorium at the Cu-SeeMe station!

10:18 Robbie, auditorium Hello, Roger from Robbie at the Webchat station 343 10:18 PathFinder..... Jennifer Your Good but I already tried that. I can't open any RA Files. I tried listening to the Shuttle Landing a few weeks back. i got the same error then also.

10:19 LauraCO..... I'm sure you have already answered this question. Is there any- where that I can get the hard copy of information from this workshop that was given to live participants?

10:19 Dude..... Hello to you all from Falls Church, VA!

10:19 Roger Stryker..... Hello from across the auditorium at the Cu-SeeMe station!

10:20 Robbie, auditorium What would you like to know about Mars? Please send in your questions and they will be answered by the NASA Mars scientists that are here today. Questions related to Mars science teaching about Mars in the classroom and ways to outreach are encouraged.

10:20 JC_Craig..... Jennifer: Will there be a transcript of these procedings available after the conference has ended?

Robbie, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:20AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[347 ] What would you like to know about Mars? Please send in your questions and they will be answered by the NASA Mars scientists that are here today. Questions related to Mars science teaching about Mars in the classroom and ways to outreach are encouraged. Sat, Jul 20, 10:20AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[348 ] Ya know what would be very useful in this presentation -- some music. [Image] JC_Craig: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:20AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[349 ] Jennifer: Will there be a transcript of these procedings available after the conference has ended? JenniferSellers: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:21AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[350 ] Pathfinder: Well...you've gotten beyond me! Have you tried going to the RA web site and reading their FAQs and other user info? [Image] [Image] [Image] JC_Craig: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:22AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[351 ] Robbie: Question... are there any concrete plans regarding the manned exploration of Mars (i.e. timelines, contractors, etc.)? Mike@KU: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:22AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[352 ] Where are these modules on the Web? JenniferSellers: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:23AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[353 ] JC Craig: We'll archive everything we have: WebChats, RA files, WebChat transcription. P.S. Please see my private email to you. Robbie, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:23AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[354 ] JC Craig, There will be a transcript of these prccedings available after the conference has ended. JenniferSellers: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:24AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[355 ] ALL: THE *CORRECT* ADDRESS FOR SENDING MAIL TO THE AUDITORIUM IS: mars-question@mail.arc.nasa.gov PathFinder: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:24AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[356 ] Jennifer, did it done it, but thanks JenniferSellers: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:25AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[357 ] Sorry, Pathfinder! Dan: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:26AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . . [358 ] This is cute. JenniferSellers: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:26AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[359 ] ALL: I forgot to say that for posting questions to the Q & Q, you may simply post them here as well. Type QUESTION or something like it in all caps so that the monitors will be sure to pick it up. Dan: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:27AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[360 ] I think she is very used to teaching 6 year olds. Think the audience members can dress themselves? [Image] JC_Craig: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:27AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[361 ] Jennifer: If we prefer not to use e-mail, do we send questions through the Webchat discussion page? Robbie, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:28AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[362 ] Everyone: Further information on Mars Pathfinder is available at: button information on Global Surveyor is also available at the above URL. Revised transcript will be available at: button [Image] JC_Craig: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:28AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[363 ] Jennifer: Never mind. :) You answered the question before I asked it. Dude: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:29AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[364 ] Is this chat being displayed behind the speaker? Tanya-ku: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:30AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[365 ] Hey everyone, these messages are being posted at the conference. This is great info, and a lot of it is free...let's not complain. She is trying to help you, not herself. Dave, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:31AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[366 ] Hi! This is Dave replacing Robbie in the auditorium. PathFinder: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:31AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[367 ] Is there a Live From MArs Homepage Posted yet? [Image] JC_Craig: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:31AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[368 ] Dude: It looks like it. I think it would be to our benefit to behave ourselves. :) BillBourn: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:32AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[369 ] try this button to mail a question to auditorium? button Dude: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:32AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . . [370 ] Can we get a live picture view of the auditorium over the web? I'm watching this on TV also but I'm not getting a good feel for what's going on there... Dave, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:32AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[371 ] Dude, this chat is indeed being displayed behind the speaker, so.... be careful! The whole world can see. LauraCO: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:32AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[372 ] Dave, QUESTION: What is the address to get these modules? Dave, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:33AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[373 ] Good question Dude. We will give it a try. Keep watching. Dude: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:33AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[374 ] If I thought the whole world was watching, I think I would have come up with a better handle. justdane: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:33AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[375 ] hello from michigan Dave, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:34AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . . [376 ] We will get that info for you Laura. Just a minute. Dude: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:34AM PDT (- 0700 GMT). . .

[377 ] Hi, justdane! PathFinder: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:35AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[378 ] I want to see my chat on TV!! Dave, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:35AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[379 ] Hello justdane from NASA headquarters. How is the weather in Michigan, my home state? justdane: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:35AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[380 ] what is the core of mars made of Dave, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:36AM PDT (- 0700 GMT). . .

[381 ] PathFinder, just watch the left side of the stage. The chat is displayed there. Univ of KS.: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:36AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[382 ] Where are those modules on the Web? Please respond, or wait for the next Q&A. justdane: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:37AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[383 ] the weather is mi today is warm, sunny and gorgeous. How unusual PathFinder: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:38AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[384 ] Hey, people look over here Mike@KU: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:38AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[385 ] Dude, who are you and where are you from? Univ: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:38AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[386 ] Hi just dane, I'm from Michigan, but I'm stuck in KS. I am a UofM Alumnus. Where in the state are you? PathFinder: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:39AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[387 ] Some one push them off the board justdane: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:39AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[388 ] lake orion. Dave, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:39AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[389 ] Laura: the first ten pages of the modules are available at button This is only a draft. The modules are still a work in progress. More will be available in about one month. Chech your local Teacher Resource Center. Or send e-mail message to info@engmm.com , but wait at least one month. Dude: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:40AM PDT (- 0700 GMT). . .

[390 ] I'm Rick Dyer from Falls Church, VA. Hey, I'm also a University of Michigan alumnus! justdane: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:41AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[391 ] I'm an Oakland U grad Dude: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:41AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[392 ] GO BLUE! Dave, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:41AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[393 ] Meridith Olson is conducting live lesson demos in the auditorium now. It is really good! Scoti: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:42AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[394 ] QUESTION? Is there one handy location from which to get all these Mars materials that we are learning about today? --lesson plans, videos, CD's,WWW links, etc. PathFinder: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:42AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[395 ] 30 Degrees Whit: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:43AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[396 ] Finallt got RA functioning again, can anyone tell me which slide # the apeaker is on, or where should I be? Dude: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:43AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[397 ] We need a virtual protractor for this! Dave, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:43AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[398 ] Just a minute Scoti. I'll get the answer. Univ: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:43AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[399 ] I grew up in Rochester Hills, and graduated from UofM in 93'. justdane, are you teaching in Lake Orion? JenniferSellers: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:43AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[400 ] All, how many of you are using CU-SeeMe and are you satisfied with it? michael: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:44AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[401 ] hi this is michael from south africa Dave, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:44AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[402 ] Students are attempting to walk up a ramp. The angle is now 40 degrees! Dude: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:45AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[403 ] Haven't tried CU-See Me or RealAudio. I was a little unprepared for this event! Dave, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:45AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[404 ] Scoti: scroll back about 20 messages. You should find all the resource locations listed. Ok? [Image] JC_Craig: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:46AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[405 ] Jennifer: I'm using CUSeeMe at 14.4K and two Netscape windows (one for chat and the other for the transcription). It's OK but I wouldn't want to watch "Citizen Kane" this way. :) [Image] JC_Craig: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:46AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[406 ] Jennifer: I'm using CUSeeMe at 14.4K and two Netscape windows (one for chat and the other for the transcription). It's OK but I wouldn't want to watch "Citizen Kane" this way. :) LauraCO: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:46AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[407 ] Hi Micheal in South Africa, This is Laura from Colorado US. This is great to be able to chat with you Will you tell me about your school, classroom and what you teach? LauraCO: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:47AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[408 ] QUESTION: Did she just say Mars soil is kitty litter? justdane: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:47AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[409 ] No, I'm an engineer but have a group of talented children here with me very interested in space programs. Dave, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:48AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[410 ] Michael, greetings from the NASA auditorium too. If you have any questions or comments, we would be happy to respond. Scoti: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:48AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[411 ] Thanks, Dave DianeS- Maywood: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:49AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[412 ] Hi, everyone, again. Dave, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:49AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[413 ] Kitty liter is right! Michael@KU: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:49AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[414 ] Cu-See Me is doing alright. We are running at 2.4 fps, but the audio needs to be better...it could have something to do with the set up andmics you are using at the conf. michael: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:50AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[415 ] LauraCO:i am not a teacher. but this is very interesting for us in south africa. [Image] JC_Craig: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:50AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[416 ] QUESTION: Care to elucidate on that kitty litter comment? In composition or texture? In what ways is Martian soil like kitty litter? Dave, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:51AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[417 ] Everybody is making a mountain, but they are using three different substances and measuring the slope of the mountain using protractors. This might upset the janitor! Dude: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:51AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[418 ] You appear to be the longest- distance participant, Michael! PathFinder: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:52AM PDT (- 0700 GMT). . .

[419 ] Some one push them off the board Dave, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:52AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[420 ] Kitty litter, sand and salt. The results are being gatheres. Interesting data. Any presictions? Which do you think will be steepest? Michael@KU: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:52AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . . [420 ] Dude, where are you? Are you a teacher? When did you grad from UM? michael: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:52AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[421 ] Dude: mano from here is also online ,with us thanks anyway Dude: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:52AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[422 ] Who's running mean, median, and std deviation statistics here? [Image] JC_Craig: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:53AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[423 ] Thanks, Dave. It makes a little more sense now. The transcription seemed to skip a bit. Dave, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:53AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[424 ] Do you want the raw data? LauraCO: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:54AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[425 ] Dave, I predict the Mars soil will be the steepest. PathFinder: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:54AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[426 ] Mars 38 Dude: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:54AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[427 ] Not a teacher, Michael@KU. Just a former philosophy student (grad. 1990) who's fiancee is working video at this event and happened to find out about it teh day after I got a new PowerMac 8500... [Image] JC_Craig: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:55AM PDT (- 0700 GMT). . .

[428 ] Dude: This is aimed at K-12 students. I think trying to figure out means and deviations is a little beyond the scope of this experiment. Dave, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:55AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[429 ] We are discussing now: do we need to calculate averages, or can we see trends without averages? Dude: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:56AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[430 ] Good point, JC. I'm just interested to see where this is leading. I'd love to see if anyone's handed in their yellow paper, yet! LauraCO: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:56AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[431 ] JC Craig, This is not over the heads of K-12 students. I would get mean, median and avg of this data with my 6th graders. PathFinder: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:56AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[432 ] Hello Whit: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:57AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[433 ] This activity does not lend itself to RA and Web page graphics, I will be back at 3:15 Dave, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:57AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[434 ] Thanks for the comment JC. I was just kidding about mean, mode, standard deviation, etc. We are just looking for trends. Lets keep it simple. Michael@KU: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:57AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[435 ] Isn't this concept known as the angle of repose? People in Geology deal with this. PathFinder: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:58AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[436 ] Yell, make lots of noise [Image] JC_Craig: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:59AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[437 ] Dude: I think this demonstration shows a few things such as data collection and how the materials of which something is composed can effect its structure. It also seems to demonstrate cooperation (eg. the sharing of the collected data). Dave, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:59AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[438 ] Good discussion in the auditorium about variability of results. If you are watching, what do you think? 38 or 35? PathFinder: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 10:59AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[439 ] Can you Live with variability??? Dave, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:00AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[440 ] JC, we will see about cooperation now. We are trying to clean up! Phil@Bates: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:00AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[441 ] We think 35.... Harry Edmon: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:00AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[442 ] QUESTION: What is the composition of the Martian soil? Dave, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:01AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[443 ] Pathfinder, living is better than the alternative. PathFinder: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:01AM PDT (- 0700 GMT). . .

[444 ] Don't Mess up the Auditorium! Michael@KU: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:01AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[445 ] This hour of the conf. would be useful if you had delivered this stuff to the host-sites prior to today. The whole point of having this technology is to connect students from different places to learn simultaneously...lets live the experiment. Harry Edmon: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:01AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[446 ] I mean in the lesson - not in reality Mike@KU: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:02AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[447 ] We want the recipe for Mars soil????? Dave, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:02AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[448 ] The results: Kitty Litter: 36 Salt: 34 Mars: 39 PathFinder: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:04AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[448 ] The results: Kitty Litter: 36 Salt: 34 Mars: 39 PathFinder: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:04AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[449 ] Move Dave, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:05AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[450 ] Michael, I don't know if NASA can afford to mail Kitty Litter, etc. around the world. But a more serious response will be coming from Dan Barstrow. Please wait. DianeS-Maywood: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:06AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[451 ] Is anyone from Nathan Hale in Seattle on ;here? We would like to reach you CuCMe. What is your system address? Dave, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:06AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[452 ] Mike@KU, the recipe for Martian soil is too complicated. The rock comes from Hawaiian lava flows and is pounded to the exact granularity of the martian soil. In addition, magnetic properties are added. Harry: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:06AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[453 ] The comment about materials - what we needed was a list of materials for the experiment so we could get them ourselves. LauraCO: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:06AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[454 ] Dave, Can the camera show the slides on the screen? Dave, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:08AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[455 ] The auditorium participants are now measuring the slopes of slides of earth mountains using protractors and viewing from their seats. Michael@KU: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:08AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[456 ] Dave, Who are you Jay Leno? I was looking more for a list of materials. Dave, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:09AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[457 ] Laura, no, but the slides are on at the Web site. Michael@KU: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:10AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[458 ] Dave, are you wearing glasses and do you have dark hair...I think we've got you here on camera. Dude: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:10AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[459 ] We got the slides on NASA TV. Dave, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:10AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[460 ] Michael, the response about the Mars soil was serious! Honest. [Image] JC_Craig: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:10AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[461 ] QUESTION: Can we get the properties of the Martian soil (size of granules, etc.) for possibly making our own? The type of volcanic rock can make a difference (pumice, etc.). Dave, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:11AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[462 ] Michael, you are watching Roger Stryker on CU-see Me. He is on the other side of the auditorium. Dave, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:13AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[463 ] Good question JC. I'll check. Mike@KU: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:14AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[464 ] I have talk window up...after I enter text, what do I do to let you read the text Dude: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:14AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[465 ] clap clap clap... Dave, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:15AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[466 ] JC, I will get you the e-mail address of Dr. Cheick Diarra, Mars Outreach Director at JPL. He should be able to help. [Image] JC_Craig: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:15AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[467 ] Dave: Unless the soil were extremely magnetic, it seems to me that the two primary factors you'd need to know were granule size and density. Nick: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:17AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[468 ] Room=Mars_Discussion&last_read_para=465&back_para=465&pkr=& dfr=&nad=&v=&Back=&Refresh=&InputText=&Chat=CHAT&handle=Nick &picture=&home_page=ndalrym@prairienet.o Dude: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:19AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[469 ] I'll guess 5 degrees! Dave, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:19AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[470 ] JC, a request from Cheick: Please, don't call it Martian Soil. Everybody will be calling their congressmen claiming that NASA has been concealing information. Lets call it "simulant." e-mail address: cheick.m.diarra@jpl.nasa.gov @prairienet.o [Image] JC_Craig: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:20AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[472 ] QUESTION: Any conjecture as to why the atmospheric density of Mars is so low? Titan is smaller yet has a higher atmospheric density. lisa: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:21AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[474 ] hi [Image] JC_Craig: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:22AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[475 ] Dave: OK, simulant it is (although that is what they called the androids in "Blade Runner") [grin]. Dave, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:22AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[476 ] JC, good question. We will ask it at the QA time. Be patient please.By the way, we still have your previous question too. [Image] JC_Craig: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:24AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[477 ] Dave: OK... I'll hold on the questions for the time being. By the way... I was wrong about my "Blade Runner" comment. :) Dave, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:24AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[478 ] We are now measuring temp. differences at different locations around the auditorium. If you have a thermometer, tell us your temp. Where is it cold, hot, etc. LauraCO: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:26AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[479 ] QUESTION: Will the rover have a temp probe also? Dave, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:27AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[480 ] A message from Cheick to JC: I thought that was Replicant! I am a NEXUS myself. Remember Roy Batty? (Grin) LauraCO: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:27AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[481 ] QUESTION: Will the rover have a temp probe also? Dave, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:28AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[482 ] JC: Answer to your manned exploration question: Not before 2018 [Image] JC_Craig: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:28AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[483 ] Message from JC to Cheick: LOL! : . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:28AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[484 ] It's 19-20 deg C here...send the rover to Maine Dave, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:30AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[485 ] Laura, Rover question: How will the rover be guided? Answer: Remote control by radio beam from earth. Wondering..: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:30AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . . [486 ] Isn't this indirect evidence for the existance of cats. I mean, doesn't kitty litter strongly imply the existence of cats? KarenY: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:30AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[487 ] I'm back after a couple hours of other responsibilities. Temp downstairs in my living room: 68 F, upstairs in the computer room: 72F. Outdoors: 82 F location: Wrightwood, CA 6000 ft elevation. Phil@Bates: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:31AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[488 ] 18 - 20 deg C in Auditorium here in Maine ....62 deg F outside [Image] JC_Craig: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:33AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[489 ] I've lost the NASA TV video feed on CU-SeeMe. Dave, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:34AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[490 ] Laura, a correction to our previous answer: Initial vectoring will come from earth, but then internal computer chips take over. Dave, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:36AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[491 ] Any questions related to classroom activities? BillBourn: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:37AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[492 ] You need to send a candy bar to fuel the student's carrying back the shoebox. Barbara, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:37AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[493 ] Hello, I'll be monitoring from the auditorium now. BillBourn: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:37AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[494 ] You need to send a candy bar to fuel the student's carrying back the shoebox. Dude: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:37AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[495 ] Going to take off now. An enjoyable interaction experience... My congrats to Dave and the rest of your crew on this production. It's got to be pretty complicated to pull off! Wondering..: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:38AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[496 ] A simple cheap device for measuring gravity would be a pendulum of known length. Barbara, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:39AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[497 ] Good idea...signed Galileo! [Image] TimR@DU: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:39AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[498 ] A computer (PDA) to log it on. [Image] TimR@DU: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:40AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[499 ] A computer (PDA) to log it on. Barbara, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:41AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[500 ] Tim R, Another good idea, if you have the funds! TimR@DU: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:41AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[501 ] GPS wouldn't work on Mars though... Dude: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:41AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[502 ] Hi Susan Twitmyer! (if you can see this) Dude: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:41AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[503 ] Bye to the rest of you.... [Image] JC_Craig: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:42AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[504 ] A spring with a known spring constant and a known mass on the end would be more effective for measuring gravity... and could be more compact than the pendulum. kosmotron: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:42AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[505 ] I was just wondering. Exactly how are the fossils going to be detected when they land in the "lakebed?" kosmotron: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:43AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[506 ] I was just wondering. Exactly how are the fossils going to be detected when they land in the "lakebed?" kosmotron: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:43AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[507 ] I was just wondering. Exactly how are the fossils going to be detected when they land in the "lakebed?" california: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:44AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[508 ] I checked the web site that dave gave for getting some of the materials from this workshop. button gives me an error that the document contains no data. Are we going to have access to ANY materials from today's workshop that we could incorporate into our classrooms??????? california: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:45AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[509 ] I checked the web site that dave gave for getting some of the materials from this workshop. button gives me an error that the document contains no data. Are we going to have access to ANY materials from today's workshop that we could incorporate into our classrooms??????? california: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:45AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[510 ] I checked the web site that dave gave for getting some of the materials from this workshop. button gives me an error that the document contains no data. Are we going to have access to ANY materials from today's workshop that we could incorporate into our classrooms??????? TimR@DU: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:45AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[511 ] Is the idea to actually make the box, or just to determine what onew would put in it? california: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:46AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[512 ] I checked the web site that dave gave for getting some of the materials from this workshop. button gives me an error that the document contains no data. Are we going to have access to ANY materials from today's workshop that we could incorporate into our classrooms??????? Barbara, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:46AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[513 ] California, regarding the error on the data, we will get back to you on that and try and answer your question. JenniferSellers: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:46AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[514 ] california and kosmotron, please refresh using CHAT rather than RELOAD button kosmotron: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:47AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[515 ] gotta log off... But I will videotape the rest of the conference. Thanks in advance.... TimR@DU: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:48AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[516 ] I they are to make the boxes, the actual contents will belimited by what materials are on hand. No? kosmotron: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:48AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[517 ] to JenniferSellers: Thanks. I tried that earlier and didn't get any response. Now it seems to be working. Barbara, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:49AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[518 ] Tim R, Yes, you are probably right about that. : . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:49AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[519 ] Question: How can I send a message to Leann Martinez at USC? BillBourn: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:50AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[520 ] that button of california's is misspelled- try this one: button Barbara, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 11:50AM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[521 ] California, Regarding the sites with information about today's conference, you may get information at the following URL's. button and also quest.arc.nasa.gov/mars. Barbara, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:13PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[556 ] TimR@DU: What program are you referring to? Bob at COSC: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:13PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[557 ] COSC = Chabot Observatory & Science Center, Oakland CA. Thanks! TimR@DU: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:14PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[558 ] Barbara: I was asking about the shoebox program. cyn: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:16PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[559 ] With the red rover project, are the images just transmitted back or are they interpret by the computer? How long can the camera cable be? Jay-: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:18PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[560 ] How can you get involved in the Mars project? [Image] Jay-: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:18PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[561 ] How can you get involved in the Mars project? [Image] JC_Craig: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:19PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[562 ] cyn: I think that using a cable between Pathfinder and Red Rover would be a big mistake. If it gets tangeled, there's nobody there to untie the knots. It would also be heavier. Using a transmitter makes far more sense. Kathy - Grand Junction, CO: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:20PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[563 ] Carol and I are back with tv and computer both in one room. When you are able please post where we can get the teacher and student materials that the live participants have. Also our video seems to have gotten messed up could we geta copy of this also. One more question -- is logo being used with REd Rover, Red Rover? I know that it is used to control many lego dacta models and my kids are really into logo. Samb: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:20PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[564 ] Is there some way the pathfinder will measure the light intensity on the Mars surface? Is there a simple way for students to measure the same thing here on earth? Jay-: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:20PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[565 ] How can you get involved in the Mars project? Lowell, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:21PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[566 ] Barbara, I'm new at the keyboard, can I answer any questions you might have about the shoebox? [Image] JC_Craig: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:23PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[567 ] Samb: Any photographic light meter should measure the intensity of light on Earth. If Pathfinder includes a color chart like the one on Viking, you should be able to compare the brightness of that chart in pictures against pictures of the same chart taken in lighting of known brightness. Jay-: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:24PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[568 ] How can you get involved in the Mars project? JenniferSellers: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:24PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[569 ] Jay, please use CHAT, rather than RELOAD, to refresh. cyn: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:24PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[570 ] Is the Lego rover wireless? From the screen shot it was hard to tell. What will be part of the kit? Jay-: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:25PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[571 ] How can you get involved in the Mars project? [Image] JC_Craig: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:25PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[572 ] I just saw the comment in the Mars Transcript about scientists knowing that they wanted to be scientists from childhood. I would please ask the teachers to be careful when talking to kids about science vs. the teacher's perceived estimation of the child's abilities. I had a teacher in high school tell me that I should avoid the sciences because I had no grasp of mathematics. I now have a BS in physics. (The best revenge is living well). Phil@Bates: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:25PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[573 ] Cyn: I believe that the one they were showing had cables..I noticed them in some of the shots. [Image] TimR@DU: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:26PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[574 ] I was wondering about what other schools have done with the shoebox project as far as budgeting for content items. BillBourn: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:27PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[575 ] It looks like the red rovers have umbilicals. It's hard to imagine that a video transmitter would be part of the development requirement. BillBourn: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:29PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[576 ] Isn't the shoebox item a newly developed item? If so, there is probably no budgetting already done for it. [Image] JC_Craig: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:29PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[577 ] BillBourn: As I mentioned earlier, umbilicals can be a logistical nightmare. If there is a tangle, you've got a short tether on your Rover (not so much a rover as a sitter). Small video transmitters can be connected with minimal problem... and can be made at least as small as the connections for an umbilicus. Lowell, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:29PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[578 ] TimR@DU, In response to your question about the shoebox budget, that is an item that is left open for the school or teacher to decide. WilliK (Karen): . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:34PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[579 ] Pardon my ignorance, but I joined late where can I find a basic description of the shoebox/contents? BillBourn: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:36PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[580 ] I think there are suggestions as to what should be placed in the exploring shoebox, but the major thrust is to let the actual contents be decided by the participating students. [Image] JC_Craig: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:36PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[581 ] WilliK: Your students determine the contents of the box based on what they think will help people find the location of the shoebox remotely. [Image] TimR@DU: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:37PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[582 ] Lowell: thanx, I guess :) Steve, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:37PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[583 ] Jay, in answer to your question about how can I get involved in the Live From Mars project, I would say go to the web site using your skills on the internet and download or print the materials there and use them in your own class. Between the lessons to print and the materials to request, you should have a multitude of information to use. Thanks for participating, Steve rebecca @ku: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:37PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[584 ] LauraCO asked if we need to register somewhere in order to receive materials. Please answer, because I want to know, too. Thanks! WilliK: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:38PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[585 ] ok. that makes sense. thanks. Steve, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:40PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[586 ] Willik (Karen), You do not want a list of articles to be placed into the shoebox. You want to ask your students "Which articles do we need to take in this shoebox and use on the surface of the planet Mars?" Then decide how these materials might be used and whether or not they would be financially possible, and useful. Thanks for participating and I hope your class has a great time, Steve Kathy - Grand Junction, CO: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:42PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[587 ] Carol and I are back with tv and computer both in one room. When you are able please post where we can get the teacher and student materials that the live participants have. Also our video seems to have gotten messed up could we geta copy of this also. One more question -- is logo being used with REd Rover, Red Rover? I know that it is used to control many lego dacta models and my kids are really into logo. Ireland: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:42PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[588 ] To Jennifer Sellers:- On behalf of the Entire teaching community attending the virtual conference here in Ireland today, we congratulate the nASA team who have put this Conference, particularly the Virtual section together. We have several student viewing the conference on NASA TV and are flying around the web-site - I wish you could see their faces. It is our intention here to promote the Live from Mars project trhoughout Ireland over the coming months - Well Done!!! JenniferSellers: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:43PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . . [589 ] Ireland: Thanks so much, and you can be sure I'll pass the kudos along to the entire team! BillBourn: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:44PM PDT (- 0700 GMT). . .

[590 ] I think the shoebox is closer to Earth than that, Steve. The students put together a shoebox and send one of themselves somewhere to run the observations. The class then tries to figure out where the shoebox went. At least that would be the most FUN approach! BillBourn: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:47PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[591 ] If your class is internet-capable, they could list the contents of a shoebox to be taken to a site at some other, co-operative site in the world, in Ireland for example. Then they'd use the observations to find those locations and compare them to their own with the same box contents. LauraCO: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:50PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[592 ] The Pathfinder video that was shown this morning, was that the whole video or just a portion. If it was just a portion of the video could you give the address of the location where I can purchase the video. Thanks BillBourn: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:51PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[593 ] Anyone care to EXPLAIN the difference between a scientist and an engineer? Anyone DARE to explain? Joy (Salt Lake City): . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:51PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[594 ] Hi everyone! This is really cool. I'm ready to add Live From Mars to Red Rover, Red Rover. Last year we were a beta site for Red Rover, and this year I hope to really get connected. We were able to drive others' rovers, but they couldn't run ours since our IP address changed so much and the U of Utah disconnects every 60 min. If I can help you, send email! Steve, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:51PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[595 ] Ireland-can I get your email address? [Image] TimR@DU: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:52PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[596 ] Is that this WebChat session we see on the left screen display on the stage area? [Image] JC_Craig: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:52PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[597 ] A scientist is interested in knowledge for its own sake. The engineer uses the discoveries of science for practical purposes. How's that? :) LauraCO: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:52PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[598 ] Joy in Salt Lake, What is your e-mail address? I could really use your help next year. BillBourn: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:53PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[599 ] Laura - the site for the CD was at button == http: //aemm.ae.gatech.edu/mgs/mgs.htm I think the video is available thereabouts as well. Joy: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:53PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[600 ] Laura, it's joy.selberg@m.cc.utah.edu [Image] TimR@DU: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:54PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[601 ] A scientist tries to discover new information. An engineer uses existing knowledge. BillBourn: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:55PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[602 ] Pretty fair summation, JC. I'd still like to hear what the panel has to say about that though. JLand: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:56PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[603 ] Hi everyone! I'm really looking forward to getting connected so that my students can begin learning more about science and engineering in thes unique way. Can you give the location where I could sign up to acquire the materials for this program? Steve C.: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:56PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[604 ] Definition for scientist and engineer: A scientist discovers what is already there, and engineer creates something that never existed before. : . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:57PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[605 ] Hi. I've enjoyed the many technical discussions here, but could we also address the value, scientifically rather than science-fictionally, of discovering life on Mars? I'm so hopeful we will--even if it's just lichen--that I often forget to ask the hard questions about it. I'm sure you've considered the consequences or lack thereof, however. : . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:57PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[606 ] Hi. I've enjoyed the many technical discussions here, but could we also address the value, scientifically rather than science- fictionally, of discovering life on Mars? I'm so hopeful we will--even if it's just lichen--that I often forget to ask the hard questions about it. I'm sure you've considered the consequences or lack thereof, however. KentS: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:58PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[607 ] Sorry. That life on Mars question was me. Forgot my tag. Harry E.: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 12:59PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[608 ] QUESTION - what gas is being used in the air bags on Pathfinder, and has JPL filed an environmental impact statement? Phil@Bates: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:00PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[609 ] QUESTION***Is there any way that we can "lobby" for continued federal support for educational programs like this? [Image] TimR@DU: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:02PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[610 ] How many sites are now involved in the Red Rover program? [Image] Paul Freedman: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:02PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[611 ] I teach Physics at a Secondary school in Bath, England. I have been dropping in throughout the day and have had a brilliant time. I want to thank everyone who has got this amazing project going. Today is the first day of our Summer holiday, but when we get back in September I would like to get a group of students involved. Do you have suggestions for the best place for us to start? Don't forget we are 5 hours ahead of EST! We have email and web access at school, we haven't really made much use of it yet, but I think this could be a great start and would get students really exited. [Image] JC_Craig: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:03PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[612 ] Paul: Could you use a slightly smaller graphic for those of us on slow connections? Peggy, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:04PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[613 ] Hi Bath, England. In response to your question, what is your Email address? KentS: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:06PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[614 ] Hi, again. Is there a way we could involve students in discussing the value of life of Mars even if it doesn't mean little green men? : . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:07PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[615 ] To Steve (auditorium) - e-mail : nhs6416@iol.ie [Image] Paul Freedman: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:08PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[616 ] Thanks for your reply. You're doing SUCH a great job! I didn't hear, did you say there was a UK URL we will be able to access in England in November? (Sorry about that big school logo) WilliK (Karen): . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:08PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[617 ] KentS, I would think the answer to that question would depend on the age of the students you want to involve. . . KentS: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:09PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[618 ] Karen: I would say 17-18 year-olds. JenniferSellers: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:09PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[619 ] I would STRONGLY prefer that NONE of you post images of any kind. I've made this request and have been summarily ignored. My reason is that it is distracting to those in the auditorium. [Image] Paul Freedman: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:10PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[620 ] My own email address is ras@fishpond.demon.co.uk LauraCO: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:11PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[621 ] For those of you who send images it also slows down the response of webchat. [Image] Paul Freedman: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:11PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[622 ] My own email address is ras@fishpond.demon.co.uk WilliK (Karen): . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:12PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[623 ] Then I would probably approach it from the ecosystems arena. . .(assuming you teach science) JC_Craig: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:12PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[624 ] Sorry, Jennifer. I thought you'd said it was OK for me to use my little icon. Rosalee, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:14PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[625 ] Hi, Barb and Joy in Utah. Surely glad that USU is with us. Rosalee (from Richfield, Ut) here at NASA HQ. LauraCO: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:15PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[626 ] Sorry to be nosy, Karen. What would you approach from the ecosystem view? Paul Freedman: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:15PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[627 ] OK - no more icons! WilliK (Karen): . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:16PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[628 ] The discussion of life (non- little green men)on Mars and its value. KentS: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:16PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[629 ] Karen: thanks for the approach. I teach literature, however, and would like to balance my science fiction readers with some actual science. Again, thanks for engaging the issue here with me briefly. WilliK (Karen): . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:17PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[630 ] Ok, How about approaching it from a creative writing stand-point? Can they come up with the arguement for why life is of value? BillBourn: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:20PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[631 ] The panelist is obviously not familiar with the Mars Direct proposal. Shirley mentioned one of the facets about propulsion creation from the Martian atmosphere. JC_Craig: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:20PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[632 ] WilliK: The important part of creative writing is the creative part of it. You might ask questions like whether or not we should continue the exploration of Mars if life of any kind is found and what impact there might be if we decide the answer is yes. WilliK (Karen): . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:22PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[633 ] agreed. however -- WHY can be a very creative question. . . : . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:22PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[634 ] How can I receive teaching materials/activities like the packet shown on TV? KentS: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:22PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[635 ] Karen: Good one. And perhaps they can consider how past explorations of New Worlds were conducted and evaluate them with an eye toward values for this exploration. WilliK (Karen): . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:23PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[636 ] yes. If you use this I'd love to hear how it works out. . . sound like fun I may have to modify it for my 9th grade computer students. . . JC_Craig: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:26PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[637 ] QUESTION: I've just seen how the Red Rover will be steered. What about the time lag? KentS: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:27PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[638 ] Karen: Glad you like it. Yes, I'll let you know. Thanks for the ideas, and hope you find a way to modify it for them. I'm leaving now, so it's been nice talking to you. Irving@usu: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:27PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[639 ] Donna mentioned the gyrocompass on Sojourner. Given the weak magnetic field of Mars, how will that compass work? Does it still use magnetism? Irving@usu: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:27PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[640 ] Donna mentioned the gyrocompass on Sojourner. Given the weak magnetic field of Mars, how will that compass work? Does it still use magnetism? BillBourn: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:32PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[641 ] Is there a model of the rover available for show and tell? or actual operation? TimR@DiversityUniversity: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:33PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[642 ] What steps have been taken to ensure that no life from here (bacteria, spores, etc.) gets to Mars? BillBourn: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:37PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[643 ] A gyrocompass doesn't use the magnetic field of the planet to navigate. Instead it measures the changes in orientation of the shell of the compass as it relates to the internal spinning wheel. The science of it is that the wheel "wants" to remain spinning the same axis and resists change. The resistance is measure by the instrument and you can tell where to point relative to the spinning. BillBourn: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:38PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[644 ] I'm pretty sure the whole apparatus will be sterilized before the trip to Mars. : . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:39PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[645 ] To Jennifer:- Michael, a K-12 Student from Ireland - this is the single most exciting experience of my life - Mars Online you're brilliant. Phil@Bates: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:40PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[646 ] Wouldn't the temp & vacuum and radiation kill any microbes on the trip to Mars? TimR@DiversityUniversity: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:43PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[647 ] I would think things like spores could live through that. I'm just concerned that they might survive and be harmful to any exising life on Mars. : . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:43PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[648 ] Michael, wonderful! BillBourn: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:44PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[649 ] I guess sterilization isn't the best way to describe it then. The scientists aren't interested in dead stuff from Earth on Mars, so the apparatus will have to be cleaned well too. LauraCO: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:44PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[650 ] The topic of conaminating Mars was addressed this morning. Sterilization does take place before launch. Samb: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:46PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[651 ] A number of teachers have been watching this meeting for teh day and have enjoyed the experience. There have been about 12 folks here. We have been watching on a tv downlink and using some T1 connections here at Argonne National Laboratory. We hope that our government will continue to support this type of activity. TimR@DiversityUniversity: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:47PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[652 ] LauraCO: Thanx. LauraCO: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:52PM PDT (- 0700 GMT). . .

[653 ] WOW!!!! to all who put the virtual conference together. I am flabergasted with what I was able to do and learn today. I can not wait to start the new year with this project. Thank You! Phil@Bates: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:53PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[654 ] We had 8 teachers here in Maine who are now VERY interested in continued curriculum about Mars. We thank you all SO much for your work and dedication! :]) Marilyn, auditorium: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:54PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[655 ] Thank you to all who have been involved on line today. A transcript will be available at button in about one week. The Web Chat is now concluded. : . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:57PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[656 ] Well, not quite concluded! I'm still here and will be until the NASA TV feed ends. Jennifer Sellers: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:57PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[657 ] Sorry, that was me with the "not quite concluded" comment! Jeanne@Diversity: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 1:58PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . . [658 ] Fasinating program! Jennifer Sellers: . . . . Sat, Jul 20, 2:01PM PDT (-0700 GMT). . .

[659 ] THANKS ALL!