Live From Mars was active July 1996-December 1997.
Gayle (London): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:06AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Time check? Gayle (London): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:07AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Anyone lurking for LFM? Gayle (London): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:08AM PDT (-0800 GMT) I've been looking over the teachers guide and planning my adjustments to making it suitable for K-2 level. It looks good, I'm glad we'll be able to do the Weather thing again. Holly in B.C.: . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:09AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Hi Gayle, Kathy (PSC) passed along a copy of your chat last week. I am finally on-line...as of today!! This is my first internet experience on my own so I am quite thrilled to have the opportunity. Holly in B.C.: . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:11AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Please excuse my mistakes. I am learning as I go. I will participating in LFM and am a PTK advocate (the other one in B.C.). My schoolboard is cautiously enthusiastic and has tentatively put a venue on hold for the LFM broadcasts. Don (Homeschool): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:12AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Gayle, I would be interested to hear what adjustments that you would make for K-2. I homeschool a first and second grader. Marc (California): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:12AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Hi I'm here. I'm going to back up and read what's going on Holly in B.C.: . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:12AM PDT (-0800 GMT) How have you got a copy of the teacher's guide, Gayle? I thought they weren't coming out until next week? Marc (California): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:14AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Hi Holly, How cool that this is your first day online. What made you get here? Holly in B.C.: . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:15AM PDT (-0800 GMT) How are other people doing LFM? Do you think it is possible to do bits and pieces over the course of the year without spending your whole science curriculum on it? This is what I had hoped to do. Holly in B.C.: . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:16AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Hi Marc. I finally bought a computer with a bit more power last weekend, then I purchased an internet account. I am presenting a workshop on using CUSeeMe (HA!) mid-Oct. so it is fly or die now. Gregg (Ohio): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:17AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Is anybody here? Is this the time for the LFM web chat? Marc (California): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:18AM PDT (-0800 GMT) The latest word on Teacher's Guide is this. They go to the printers on Monday. They'll begin shipping next Friday. We (the online development team) are expecting text to be in our mailboxes today (we thought last night actually. If that's the case, then the first full text will begin appearing later today and will continue appearing through the weekend. Expect by Monday that all of the first section will be available online for perusal. Holly in B.C.: . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:18AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Actually, I guess the workshop is more about LFM than CUSeeMe but we had hoped to demo that software during the workshop so teachers could do something exciting. We also hope to provide activities from the teacher's guide.....hope. hope. Kathy, at PSC will be working with me. Gayle (London): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:21AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Hi there, I went to check my mail and will back read for a moment... Holly in B.C.: . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:21AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Wow! Great news about the teacher's guide, Marc. Welcome on-line, Greg! Will the teacher's guide be available through the Live From Mars home page? Al Post,Burnaby,B.C.: . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:22AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Hi Holly, I'm looking forward to being a part of this project. How does one find out about these chats, or leave messages? Should I leave my email address here? It's apost@orca.bc.ca Holly in B.C.: . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:22AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Gayle, how many districts/classes are involved in Ontario? Have you heard of Marsville? Marc (California): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:22AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Hi Gregg, Gayle. Holly: just getting started today and teaching CU-SeeMe in a few weeks. K-12 Ed needs more risk takers like you. I'm curious if anybody has any ideas about this line of reasoning. A lot of what makes CU-SeeMe so exciting is the live interactions. You get the same effect with WebChat. CU-SeeMe reuqires fancier hardware and internet skills. So it is hard for some teachers to do it. WebChat requires reading and writing, not just talking. Reading and writing are good skills to practice in schools. And WebChat is easy to use (just web browser). So I conclude that WebChat is better educationally then CU-SeeMe. Anybody think differently? Al Post,Burnaby,B.C.: . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:23AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Holly, will you receive the teacher's guide and then mail it to me? How will that work? And...what is this workshop you're talking about? Can I attend? Gregg (Ohio): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:23AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Will the same materials be available online as sending for teacher's guide? Holly in B.C.: . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:25AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Hi Al! Glad you could make it. This is my first chat too. THe info I faxed to you should have had the internet addresses in it. The general discussion list is at Send your message there with the body reading subscribe discuss-lfm Al Post,Burnaby,B.C.: . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:25AM PDT (-0800 GMT) CU-SeeMe is a great program and it works well with the QuickCam. However, I found that with my 14.4 modem, it was rather unimpressive. Sound did not transfer, pictures were choppy and so was any text that we sent. You would need a minimum of a 28.8 modem, ISDN or Fibre Optic would be ideal (but rather unrealistic for most school districts around here). Gayle (London): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:27AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Don, I'm a homeschooler too, where are you from? I'll email the bits as I get them done via the discuss-LFM. Are you on that list? Marc: hi, good to hear from you about the guides that's great. Holly, cool, nice to "meet" you. I'm trying to get something going here in London, and now that I see the Toronto Marsville info on the Discuss-LFM I want to connect with them and see about it. THe schools here I'm involved with are one private and one public school as well as the Homeschooling people who are intereste. Holly in B.C.: . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:27AM PDT (-0800 GMT) As far as I know the teacher's guide will be available on-line. Al Post,Burnaby,B.C.: . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:27AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Thanks for the info Holly, I'll try to subscribe to that list soon. Marc (California): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:27AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Holly, you asked: "Will the teacher's guide be available through the Live From Mars home page?" Certainly yes. Currently the table of contents is available in the TEacher's Lounge (http://passporttoknowledge.com/lfm/teachers/tg). By Monday, parts of the text will be vailable in a rough format. Our goal is that within a few weeks, the entire guide will be available in Adobe Acrobat for downloading. This format will let you print it and preserve all of the graphics from the original hardcopy Marc (California): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:29AM PDT (-0800 GMT) So Greg, to reinforce, yes the TG will be fully online Holly in B.C.: . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:29AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Do I need anything special to download the Adobe Acrobat teacher's guide? Holly in B.C.: . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:31AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Al, the workshop I am giving in October will be through the Horizon's conference. Wait and see if the district will pull through to give interested teachers a workshop day . It sounded as though they might. Marc (California): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:32AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Al wondered about these chats. We have weekly chats on Thursdays at either noon or 3:00pm. It alternates. And other folks are free to use this area for their own sub-interest groups. FOr example, if the BC LFM folks wanted to conduct an online chat every Wed at 1:00pm, cool. All if Gayle wanted to hostess a homeschooler session every XXX, that's great. In general, people who leave question on the chatline don't receiev answers. Nobody I know regularly goes through all of the old listings and systematically updates things. Gayle (London): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:32AM PDT (-0800 GMT) I'm trying to juggle right now so I've yet to get more details on the Marsvill thing. But from speaking to the schools here in London, they are doing bits an pieces throughout the year. I'm trying to coordinate a facility right now, the Childrens Museum has offered a location but that would me getting a video store to donate the use of the Dish etc. I'm still working on the joint venture thing. Marc, I will be in Washington DC for a conference November 24-25-26, and plan to discuss it there to many educators. Al Post,Burnaby,B.C.: . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:32AM PDT (-0800 GMT) I have to leave now, but I just want to say what a wonderful opportunity this "chat" service is. I've frantically written down a few "addresses" that have been floated about during the chat and I will visit them later this evening. You've all already given me some ideas...thank you. I'm very excited about this project and look forward to our next "chat". Once again...my email is...apost@orca.bc.ca. I will try to subscribe to the listserv that was mentioned earlier. Bye for now. -Al Marc (California): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:33AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Holly, the Adobe Acrobat reader is free to download. When we get to that point in the project, there will be a pointer from our pages. But I think\ the URL is www.adobe.com Don (Homeschool): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:35AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Gayle, I am from the Dallas (TX) area. As to if I am on the list... I receive discuss-LFM email daily, so I guess I am. Just in case I am not my address is lifetime@airmail.net. Marc (California): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:35AM PDT (-0800 GMT) By Al. Was it you that said CU-SeeMe is cool at 28.8, but stinks at 14.4Kbps. I'm still really interested to use more of WebChat and less of CU-SeeMe with students because I think it is better educationally for the reasosn I mentioned. But surely in LFM, we will offer both options for connecting kids to NASA experts Gayle (London): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:35AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Of course I meant "it would mean me getting a satelite dish purveyor to donate the use of..." Holly in B.C.: . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:36AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Gayle, Sheila Rhodes at the Ontario Science Centre (Toronto?) is heavily involved in Marsville. She organizes the cross-Canada link-ups each year. Marc (California): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:37AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Don, do you receive occasional updates-lfm messages. These have a subject of which starts "LFM #2:". So far,there's only been three messages and the last was a week ago. If not, you really should subscribe there by sending email to ; in the message body, write subscribe updates-lfm Holly in B.C.: . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:37AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Marc, I agree with your reasoning on web-chat vs. CUSeeMe...but the idea of watching the person you are e-mailing is pretty darn cool. Gayle (London): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:38AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Marc I agree with you that the webchats are better, but some would say that IRC are better still. I have a problem with the IRC's but perhaps POWWOW would be an idea if expanding is something people are interested in. I'm not up to speed on the CUSeeMe stuff, I want to but that would mean getting a more expensive set up and I can't do that right now. Marc (California): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:38AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Gayle: Col news about the DC conference. Did you tell Jan? Please say more about the conference and what you'll be doing there Gregg (Ohio): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:38AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Will I need special software to read the Adobe Acrobat Teacher's Guide Don (Homeschool): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:38AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Marc, Yes I do. Jim Banjo: . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:38AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Are any of you designing hands-on, modeling activities? I teach alternative ed teens and the more activities we can start each class with, the better able the kids are to concentrate on the reading and writing portions. Gayle (London): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:39AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Has anyone here had any experience with PowWow? Marc (California): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:39AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Gayle: what is POWWOW. I never heard of it. Gregg (Ohio): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:40AM PDT (-0800 GMT) I guess I should just wait and someone will ask and/or answer my question before I ask it. Marc (California): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:40AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Jim, The TEacher's Guide is filled with hands-on activities. Stream tables, simulating a the MGS altimeter, other things. WHat grade are your kids? Gayle (London): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:41AM PDT (-0800 GMT) I would love to facilitate/host a Wednesday 2pm (Eastern)Homeschoolers Chat here for the programs. THat would be neat. Marc (California): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:41AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Gregg, No fair waiting. Speak up loadly. And if you asked a question that people are ignoring, ask it again since things are chaotic and soetimes ideas slip away in this WebChat medium too quick Jim Banjo: . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:42AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Mark, my students are 9-12, although many have lower basic skills. Is the Teacher's Guide you refer to the one that will be on this web site? Marc (California): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:42AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Gayle: If you give me atime and commit to being here for it, I'll make sure it goes on the WebChat page so that all will know about it. Is Wed 2PM the best time for you? Holly in B.C.: . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:43AM PDT (-0800 GMT) THank you all for the great chat! I can see many great opportunities for using htis with my kids. I look forward to chatting again but right now I must go. My 11 month old son has been loudly demanding lunch and has now disappeared into his bedroom to destroy as much as possible. Gotta go!! Marc (California): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:44AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Jim, Yes, the TG is one and the same. It is written for middle schoolers, but there are suppposedly hints to help teachers bring it up or down, depending on thier kids. Also, are you the one (I'm not sure the politically correct term) with the rough inner city kids? Marc (California): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:44AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Bye Holly. Save the bedroom! Jim Banjo: . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:47AM PDT (-0800 GMT) No, I don't have rough, inner city kids. I have crude, rude kids who think they are rough. They actually enjoy the projects I've tried so far and appreciate a teacher who cares enough to set up more than text book lessons. However I wonder if the Mars Mission via TV and internet might be too abstract and far away to be relevant to kids who are already working and caring for children. Thus my query about hands on lessons. Gregg (Ohio): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:48AM PDT (-0800 GMT) I'm going to show a student that is looking over my shoulder some of the other areas on the LFM home page. It was great talking to all of you. Don (Homeschool): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:49AM PDT (-0800 GMT) As far as a homeschool chat goes, Wednesday at 2pm (easter) sounds good to me, too. Marc (California): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:50AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Jim, its great that you are going teh extra step with them. Would they be interested to connect with the experts either chat or send email. Perhaps about what they observed in hands-on lessons. Certainly they could get a sense that NASA folks care about them too. Gayle (London): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:50AM PDT (-0800 GMT) PowWow isPowWow is a unique Internet program for Windows that allows up to seven people to chat, send and receive files, and cruise the World Wide Web together as a group. In some cases I've heard from others that it is unlimited and anyone can buzz you if you're on or not on your computer to "call" you for a PowWow. Jim Banjo: . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:51AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Marc, thanks for the intro to the Teacher's Guide. Perhaps we'll meet at the next chat. 'Bye. Marc (California): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:51AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Bye Gregg Gayle (London): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:53AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Yes, Marc I'll committ to that Every Wednesday from 2-3pm eastern. Marc (California): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:54AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Jim, what about the Planet Explorer Toolkit activity. I wonder if you think it is too abstract. Kids essentially have to decide what local instruments (themometers, ph testers, cameras, etc) they'd put in a shoebox to measure their local environemnt. They then debate the topic with other schools and after coming to consensus, they get the tools and make measurements. THen share results. It certainly is a bit abstract. I'm just trying to understand (from the persective of a non-teacher) where you draw the line (I know the line is gray and keeps moving). Gayle (London): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:54AM PDT (-0800 GMT) bye Holly, bye Gregg, Hi Jim! what a busy place. Marc (California): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:54AM PDT (-0800 GMT) Gayle, that's great. I'll get it online. Gayle (London): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:56AM PDT (-0800 GMT) PowWow would be perfect for groups of kids from different cities to get together on the Internet to chat while using the webpages perhaps for some of the activities or for combined projects. It has a lot of potential, there's a bunch of sites search Magelan for "PowWow". Gayle (London): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 12:59AM PDT (-0800 GMT) No I've not told Jan about the DC conf. yet. It's an educational conference which will touch on many areas of improving the quality of education in the US and Canada. So I'll be able to connect with many Professional Curriculum Experts and Professors of Education from 3-4 countries so far as I'm aware. Marc (California): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 1:01PM PDT (-0800 GMT) Gayle: Cool news about Powwow. I'll try to look into it. Do you want your wed chats to be just for LFM or also for SMORE? Also, shall I use your last name online (What is it?) And please confirm that you are from London, Ontario, Canada Gayle (London): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 1:01PM PDT (-0800 GMT) Well, I'd better be going, I have 18 people coming for supper tonight, I'm hosting a Pre-Thanksgiving (ours is next weekend) Pot Luck supper. I keep trying to tell myself that they're coming to see each other, not my house. Gayle (London): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 1:03PM PDT (-0800 GMT) Yes, the chats could be open for all programs, I'd love to chat to hs'ers doing any of them and also some of them who are doing one might not be familiar with the others so it would be a good way to outreach. Yes you can use my last name, it is Remisch, and most definitely I'm from London, ONtario, Canada, eh! Marc (California): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 1:07PM PDT (-0800 GMT) Gayle, good bye. CHeck online later to see your event featured. HAppy Thanksgiving! I'll be going shortly too. Don (Homeschool): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 1:08PM PDT (-0800 GMT) Marc, Gayle, please email me about when the h/s chat will start. Thanks. Gayle (London): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 1:10PM PDT (-0800 GMT) Hey Marc want to have a hoot with some of your favorite sites? Canadianize them by going to: http://www.io.org/~themaxx/canada/form.cgi and putting in let's say http://passporttoknowledge.com/lfm into the text box and click on Hurl that URL and see what happens! Gayle (London): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 1:11PM PDT (-0800 GMT) Wow did I miss you are you gone, sorry it took me so long to type that last one in. Gayle (London): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 1:12PM PDT (-0800 GMT) bye Marc, come back and give that Canadianizer thing a try, it's pretty cool. It's one of those, "how'd they do that" things. Gayle (London): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 1:13PM PDT (-0800 GMT) Don, I'll start next week if that's OK with you, I'll have to post it to the homeschooling lists and see who shows up. talk to you later... bye for now... moi Marc (California): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 1:14PM PDT (-0800 GMT) Hi Gayle, I'm still here, but I got a call. So I will be leaving now. I'll check out the URL you suggested...one last thing. What is the brief history of Canadian Thanksgiving. Being an ugly american, I didn't realize Canada even celebrated the holiday Don (Homeschool): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 1:14PM PDT (-0800 GMT) Gayle, since you are still here. I have a question. Do you have any idea how many h/s'ers are involved with LFM? Don (Homeschool): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 1:17PM PDT (-0800 GMT) and Marc, since you are still here. I have been hearing about the Red Rover project (or at least the funding attempts) and was wondering what all is involved with it. For some reason I missed out on the explanation of it. Perhaps it was mentioned at the conference? Gayle (London): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 1:21PM PDT (-0800 GMT) On the other hand, I've tried it with the mars site 3 times now and it hasn't worked, maybe it's just overloaded. bye again. Gayle (London): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 1:23PM PDT (-0800 GMT) Don, there's a sit about it. I'll try and find it for you. my E-mail is womble@mail.wwdc.com And Marc I have no idea why Canadians Celebrate it I'm just a Limey don't you know!! But Now you've got me wondering, I'll just have to find out. Marc (California): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 1:24PM PDT (-0800 GMT) Hi Don, Last licks. Red Rover is a project that involves remotely driving a robot at another site (over the Internet I think). I'm actually not too familiar with all of the details. There should be a link on the LFM pages to Red ROver, but there's not. I suggest looking up old discuss-lfm postings to find this contact info. Old discuss-lfm stuff is available via http://quest/lfm/discuss-lfm-lwgate.html. I've gotta go now. I'll be back at 3:00 Pacific for S/MORE chat Don (Homeschool): . . . . Thu, Oct 3, 1:25PM PDT (-0800 GMT) Thanks all... Bye.